tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post3933029195620462289..comments2023-02-15T11:49:12.756-05:00Comments on Back To The Island: Lost: Season 6, Episode 11 DiscussionMMorsehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-49728647257910196952010-04-13T16:24:43.051-04:002010-04-13T16:24:43.051-04:00Hey, Ben!
That's more or less what I'd wo...Hey, Ben!<br /><br />That's more or less what I'd wondered also during the Rewatch. Regardless of whether the castaways are literally re-running the maze of life or not, it's been proven that someone on this show has "knowledge of the future" (remember the runway that Jacob wanted built for the Ajira plane). That knowledge would establish certain rules about what can or cannot be done. <br /><br />Thanks so much for reading, for commenting, and for stopping by!MMorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-48774494681721712422010-04-13T16:20:09.206-04:002010-04-13T16:20:09.206-04:00Apologies if this has been suggested before, but d...Apologies if this has been suggested before, but do you remember the Ben Linus flashforward episode when he first gets off the island and goes to see Widmore. They talk about how Widmore killed his daughter and that was changing the rules. <br /><br />Ben was confident Keemey wouldn't kill her. When he did Ben exclaimed "that wasn't supposed to happen".<br /><br />Does this show he thinks he knows the route through 'the maze' and that the route has changed? Or that he's experiences this all before somehow?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16550841525645301473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-30516540463728423572010-04-09T18:32:28.329-04:002010-04-09T18:32:28.329-04:00I don't think the Second Snake theory is neces...I don't think the Second Snake theory is necessarily gone. Desmond has been able to move back and forth through time, so if the sideways universe is a result of whatever happens on the island now, then the sideways universe could be considered Desmond's future. It could also explain why he was so willing to do whatever was needed. He has seen how it will all turn out. Just a thought...Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-34509819158233506322010-04-09T13:10:12.674-04:002010-04-09T13:10:12.674-04:00Slamboni ... Ah, Juliet's sister (played by Ca...Slamboni ... Ah, Juliet's sister (played by Calamity Jane, IIRC) did indeed have a baby. Would he be the same age as Jack's kid, though? I'm not sure about that. Still, I read somewhere that Darlton said that two very unlikely people would end up in a romantic connection. And that certainly would be unlikely.<br /><br />Back to my fiancee's "dead" hypothesis. Yes, Desmond is not dead in the island world, but Desmond has also always been "special." My fiancee posits that this is why it seems he's about to become a conduit between the two realities. To that, I added, that maybe he's so serene in both worlds because he understands his mission(s): to a.)Stop Smokey in the island world and b.) bring the revelation to the castaways in the sideways world, a la Saul/St. Paul. <br /><br />Maybe the parallel missions actually have the same goal!The Colonelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607564308464530669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-71066219391629027512010-04-09T09:10:01.214-04:002010-04-09T09:10:01.214-04:00Good point, Slamboni. And it seems unlikely that ...Good point, Slamboni. And it seems unlikely that it's happening to them all at the same time as we've seen Locke and Ben (presumably) weeks into the off-Island time. Hmmmmm. Alright, I guess I'm sticking to the dead thing for now.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150620151335606338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-26272844702538499712010-04-09T02:39:19.424-04:002010-04-09T02:39:19.424-04:00Christopher, I'm going to have to respectfully...Christopher, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you. Here's why: Jin and Sun have an intense love. Jack and Kate, maybe. Sawyer and Juliet, definitely. The list goes on with Sayid, Rose and Bernard, you could even count Ben's fatherly love for Alex. None of them experienced anything quite like Charlie, Desmond and Daniel. I think there's a link somewhere, we're just missing it. Or it's happening at this point in time for everyone, but we haven't seen it yet. Most of them have even had near-death experiences and not felt the same way Charlie and Desmond did.<br /><br />In other news, I've been rewatching the season, and do you all remember when Juliet's sister had a baby? (S)he'd be just about Jack's son's age... Just sayin.Slamboninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-49544586674180448692010-04-08T22:34:03.918-04:002010-04-08T22:34:03.918-04:00Miles, I had the same thought re: Hurley's gho...Miles, I had the same thought re: Hurley's ghosts! <br /><br />As an alternative to the "dead" theory, I read somewhere, and Morse hints at above, that the other thing that ties these folks (they of the flashes) together is love. As in love is their "constant," the thing that anchors their minds in both realities. The ones who have seen nothing have no great love. If that's correct though, what does that say about Sawyer and Kate? They've run into each other twice now, off-Island, with no effect...are they not in love?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150620151335606338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-1842117729886896682010-04-08T15:29:03.241-04:002010-04-08T15:29:03.241-04:00Thanks so much for the well wishes, folks. It was ...Thanks so much for the well wishes, folks. It was a memorable birthday - if you have the chance to hit MOMA's Tim Burton exhibit before it closes, take it. So much fun.<br /><br />Colonel,<br /><br />I'll talk about this more in the column, but while Daniel and Charlie are dead in the "on-Island" universe, Desmond isn't. What all three characters DO share: intense exposure to electromagnetic energy and/or radiation. Desmond and Charlie due to the Swan failsafe detonation, and Daniel as a result of his experimentations. <br /><br />That said, the fact that Daniel and Charlie are dead is certainly an interesting observation - kudos to the fiance!MMorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-36694668217824595732010-04-08T14:56:03.447-04:002010-04-08T14:56:03.447-04:00Hey Morse, happy belated birthday.
As for Lost, m...Hey Morse, happy belated birthday.<br /><br />As for Lost, my fiancee suggested that perhaps "sideways" Charlie and Daniel are so perceptive to the other reality since they're dead in the "island" world.<br /><br />Any thoughts?The Colonelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607564308464530669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-82157672444811244712010-04-08T14:52:32.517-04:002010-04-08T14:52:32.517-04:00Great episode. Not as good as Ab Aeterno, but sti...Great episode. Not as good as Ab Aeterno, but still very entertaining. Maybe it's just me, but the Sideways Desmond's last comment struck me as a little creepy, a little sinister. I'm wondering how Penny still came to be when Charles and Eloise are happily (?) married.<br />"You fathered a child by another woman? HOW ARE YOU!" "I was just preserving the timeline!" "Oh, alright."<br />Happy late birthday Morse! I hope it was memorable.Resident01http://wawaseegroup.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-22814603985102865932010-04-08T14:12:40.163-04:002010-04-08T14:12:40.163-04:00I also just wanted to point out that i looked at t...I also just wanted to point out that i looked at the latest episode posters from Gideon on Flicker. The most recent one is "Catch-22" from Season 3, when Desmond almost let Charlie die so that he could be reunited with Penny. However, he saved Charlie and it turned out it wasn't Penny parachuting onto the island but Naomi, with Penny's photo. <br /><br />I was intrigued by the Desmond quote Gideon featured on the poster:<br /><br />"I failed because I changed what I saw." <br /><br />here's a Link: <br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/28863833@N07/4500682465/in/set-72157623562151305/<br /><br />It's probably nothing significant, but interesting nonetheless. I think I'm going to go back and read MMorse's recaps of the Des episodes.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09528144625886038657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-1912555755241917422010-04-08T14:07:09.810-04:002010-04-08T14:07:09.810-04:00Christopher, thanks and really interesting observa...Christopher, thanks and really interesting observation yourself on the death cross over visions. I wonder then if Boone and Charlotte may have had similar experiences in the LA timeline? <br /><br />Also, and to my earlier plea for Sayid and Claire... Perhaps if part of Claire and Sayid have "died," they'd be more eligible for a cross-timeline "come to Jesus" healing? Possibly engineered intentionally or accidentally by Desmond? Maybe by connecting with their alter-egos (Sayid's restraint and purpose / Claire's sincerity and generosity) they can become balanced again and untainted? <br /><br />We still have a Claire episode coming up, I assume. She's the last of the long-standing cast who hasn't had a centric episode, though she featured prominently in Kate's. But it certainly didn't let us in her head on the island. <br /><br />In regards to Charlie and Daniel who recognize something is off and want things to be restored/be with their love, it's interesting that if they were successful they would also be dead. Would those versions of them truly just be gone? Or would they be trapped in limbo? Are they the "ghosts" that appear to Hurley? Or something? Remember Charlie's visit to Hurly at the start of Season 4? "I am dead. But I'm also here."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09528144625886038657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-75072563451174616102010-04-08T14:00:18.563-04:002010-04-08T14:00:18.563-04:00I think perhaps the off-island universe is the res...I think perhaps the off-island universe is the result of Anti-Locke getting off the island.<br /><br />Anti-Locke's escape wipes the slate clean and everything starts from zero. This creates the alternate reality we are watching off-island.<br /><br />On the island, when Widmore says everything would be lost, it technically would be true.<br /><br />The question is which universe will persist?<br />Desmond can work within both universes and eventually negate one of them.<br /><br />I have a feeling Desmond may help Anti-Locke escape (perhaps resulting in the destruction of the island). This also allows the "second snake" theory to work.randomassemblymachinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10185036575578529873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-52344680167454738772010-04-08T11:25:05.552-04:002010-04-08T11:25:05.552-04:00Glad you had a good one, Morse!
Miles, good point...Glad you had a good one, Morse!<br /><br />Miles, good points all. I'm thinking though that of the 3 "leaders" we've met that Ellie was (possibly) the only one to meet and have in depth discussions with Jacob. We know Ben never did, and Widmore's comment from "The Package" about the MIB being nothing but legends and tales in the night suggests that he never met with (or likely never cared to meet with) Jacob. I've long had the feeling that Charles is not bad, per se, but just selfish. As Ben said, he wants to posses the Island for his own purposes.<br /><br />Did anyone else notice that the only people besides Desmond to have the flashes of their other lives were dead in that other life? Does this bode ill for Des, or is it possibly more of his uniqueness? Notice that when Jack revives Charlie in LA X the first words out of his mouth were, "I was supposed to die."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150620151335606338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-39263839913744442082010-04-08T11:14:21.588-04:002010-04-08T11:14:21.588-04:00I really wish that I came up with this theory, as ...I really wish that I came up with this theory, as it makes a ton of sense at this stage in the game, but I found it reading someones post on a review. Theory(by jnb987 at the Time.com review of this episode):<br /><br />"When a paradox occurs (like someone travelling back in time and detonating an H-bomb, negating the cause of the plane crash that set him on that course to begin with), everything in modern physics points to the creation of parallel universes in which each of the contradictory states is separated, and they play themselves out the paradox is sorted and the two universes merge back together. The effect is like throwing a stone in a stream (remember Faraday with Kate & Jack by the river in S5?), the water splits around the stone, but converges after it."<br /><br />You know for all the theories going forth about what the endgame is for the show, and what the Alt-Universe means, I'm kind of surprised that this was one of the first times I had seen this one put forth. (It could be that I just wasn't looking at the right sites.) It feels like it makes a helluva lot of sense with how this season has progressed so far, and it also is very much in line with what Faraday was saying in S5 when he was talking about throwing a large enough "rock into the stream". It definitely looks like we're looking at a split in the timestreams after Jughead, and now after a time of separation, the timelines are going to converge again on "the other side of the rock". I'm really psyched to see the how the rest of the final half of this season will play out.Hi Ho Silverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02749338463704699081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-30028193333707007532010-04-08T10:51:50.393-04:002010-04-08T10:51:50.393-04:00Thanks for the well-wishes, everyone. Very much ap...Thanks for the well-wishes, everyone. Very much appreciated!MMorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-17063113860106322922010-04-07T20:55:46.237-04:002010-04-07T20:55:46.237-04:00Happy Birthday Morse! Hope you had a great one.Happy Birthday Morse! Hope you had a great one.Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18414354921842116508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-23816377703328150612010-04-07T20:13:51.286-04:002010-04-07T20:13:51.286-04:00Happy birthday MorseHappy birthday MorseDarth Sillynousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-31072385674960184092010-04-07T18:00:34.694-04:002010-04-07T18:00:34.694-04:00Happy B'day Morse
May you have many more.
Mo...Happy B'day Morse<br /><br />May you have many more.<br /><br />MommaleonardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-34633758632336989662010-04-07T17:12:03.999-04:002010-04-07T17:12:03.999-04:00Happy birthday, MMorse, and congratulations Darth ...Happy birthday, MMorse, and congratulations Darth Sillynous!<br /><br />I have to admit, I'm also really skeptical that this is going to be able to come together in any kind of satisfying way in just five or six more episodes, but then again, THE WIRE pulled that stunt off over and over again. Mostly, I just lament that this is not a full-length season: more time to explore the possibilities, implications and perspective-shattering effects of the sideways world would have been awesome. Also, some more time to get to see how Jin and Sun have been changed by their time apart--to explore their loneliness or anger or frustration, rather than just basically giving them enough time every episode to say, "Where's my husband/wife?"--would have been nice, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-6799054885098394482010-04-07T16:50:45.669-04:002010-04-07T16:50:45.669-04:00Thanks Morse for the wishes. Anonymous Rob I am ce...Thanks Morse for the wishes. Anonymous Rob I am certainly concentrating on her but she is a fan of Lost also so all is well. Yes I traveled to Hawaii to pop the question and did it overlooking the beach where 815 crashed. <br /><br />I like what I'm reading and mostly agree as I stated in my last post. Eloise holds the key and I doubt she has shared her knowledge with Charles.Darth Sillynousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-17442323066314733122010-04-07T15:43:00.956-04:002010-04-07T15:43:00.956-04:00Great episode, and I'm a fan of this season, b...Great episode, and I'm a fan of this season, but how the hell are they going to put a bow on all this stuff in the six or seven hours (or whatever) left? <br /><br />I don't even mean to sound skeptical; rewatching seasons 4 and 5 over the last couple weeks, my appreciation of the writing staff's work has grown... but man, forget Hurley-birds, I'm still trying to smush the wine-bottle and time-space-vinyl-record elements together in my brain.<br /><br />You guys are smart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-87170608884485151592010-04-07T14:35:19.036-04:002010-04-07T14:35:19.036-04:00"Wait wait wait, stranger from the plane who ..."Wait wait wait, stranger from the plane who just happened to show up at my hospital. You're saying that a stranger from the plane just happened to show up at my hospital? That's ridiculous! I'm sorry, but I don't have time for this. I have to check on a woman who was on our plane who just delivered a baby, and then I've got spinal surgery in 10 minutes on a woman from the plane who was brought in by her bodyguard who was also on our plane. Seriously. Coincidence? Come on. Oh but hey, do you want to know a secret? On a scale of one to doctor .. I am so drunk. Brotha." -Jack<br /><br />Totally what I heard during that scene.<br /><br />I really can't wait to see what the plan with the manifest is. I'd love to see crazy face Desmond drive everybody off the pier, just an amusing like Groundhog Day style interlude where it's just shot after shot of them almost dying but then they all "feel it". But obviously that won't happen because I'm a shitty writer and that makes no sense, it just strikes me as amusing.<br /><br />BTW Was that the same pier where Desmond got shot in the groceries?Tooblekanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05677428079086782583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-47330534806793465302010-04-07T13:26:31.833-04:002010-04-07T13:26:31.833-04:00By the way if Eloise Hakwings is now Mrs. Widmore ...By the way if Eloise Hakwings is now Mrs. Widmore can you imagine how the conversation went down between Charles Widmore and Eloise when he had to explain he knocked up someone else to have Penny. Eloise could handle a gun quite well, and I assume Daniel is the elder sibling.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14999304162995349761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-36170878126674887922010-04-07T13:18:57.847-04:002010-04-07T13:18:57.847-04:00It seems like no matter what happens in the presen...It seems like no matter what happens in the present Locke gets screwed. He seems the happiest of all the people in flash sideways (next week i bet Hurley will finally get some bad news), but if Desmond's mission is to help eliminate the sideways world then Locke dies alone and confused. Besides Charlie's deathwish the sideways world isnt really worse off for the castaways (assuming Kate can escape).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14999304162995349761noreply@blogger.com