tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post4245861124306671403..comments2023-02-15T11:49:12.756-05:00Comments on Back To The Island: Too Much Information 10: Bad DadsMMorsehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-70820663855055465392009-12-11T11:14:14.949-05:002009-12-11T11:14:14.949-05:00"Which, for me anyway, begs one more question..."Which, for me anyway, begs one more question: what the hell is going to take it's place for me after it's gone?"<br /><br />I was talking to a friend about this last night. When this season ends we're really going to miss the excitement of calling each other up after an episode airs to marvel over/dissect/be bewildered by what's happened.MMorsehttp://www.losttherewatch.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-56966268547123954282009-12-11T10:03:10.515-05:002009-12-11T10:03:10.515-05:00Ahhh...the full quote from Ilyana is more revealin...Ahhh...the full quote from Ilyana is more revealing. Looks like I had misremembered it. It does make me wonder why Jacob would need the cabin when he has his awesome under-the-statue digs to hang out in. Probably one of those mysteries that we'll just have to live with.<br /><br />I seem to recall some speculation regaring the MiB and the Monster to be the same, or at least to have some connection to one another (possibly as manifestations of the Island itself). And while it seems likely, given what we've seen so far, why then would Richard bring baby-Ben to the Monster for healing? Doesn't that imply some unknown connection between Jacob and the Monster? Or maybe Richard was acting on his own and that's why Jacob refused to see Ben all that time?<br /><br />So many questions! I guess that's why we love the show, huh?<br /><br />Which, for me anyway, begs one more question: what the hell is going to take it's place for me after it's gone?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150620151335606338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-48362628754069118382009-12-11T09:53:24.991-05:002009-12-11T09:53:24.991-05:00"when Ilyana and her crew show up, with Locke..."when Ilyana and her crew show up, with Locke's dead body, and say, "He's not here" (or, he hasn't been here for a long time, or whatever they say) they are referring to the MiB, not Jacob, which confirms their fears about Locke's body. After burning the cabin, they make a bee-line for the statue."<br /><br />Hmm.<br /><br />That's a really interesting interpretation, Croubieu. I still tend to think that Resident's interpretation is correct - that Jacob initially used it, but that the MiB then 'moved in.' <br /><br />I think you're right about Ben - I think he's been visiting the cabin. It's clear that he and Smokey have some kind of relationship/connection, it's not clear what the connection is or why it exists. We know that Ben was taken to the Temple to be healed, and we know that the Monster inhabits the underworld beneath the Temple at least some of the time. We also know that Ben's house has the weirdo-equivalent of an emergency phone line straight to the Monster.<br /><br />What does that 'mean'? No idea!MMorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-19250946685354138712009-12-10T23:33:57.485-05:002009-12-10T23:33:57.485-05:00I just re-watched the S5 finale cabin scene. Ilan...I just re-watched the S5 finale cabin scene. Ilana says:<br />"He isn't there, hasn't been in a long time. Someone else has been using it." Which implies that at least two different entities had used it. I'm sticking with the straightforward interpretation, that Jacob used it first, then MIB/Christian came along.Resident01http://thewawaseegroup.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-89596208220006426592009-12-10T17:22:23.182-05:002009-12-10T17:22:23.182-05:00I apologize in advance for posting off topic, but ...I apologize in advance for posting off topic, but I'm just getting started on the re-watch (outstanding job, by the way) and wasn't sure if you'd still be checking the older posts. So, here are my thoughts on TMI 3: Loopholes and Prison-Feet. I'd love any feedback you have on it:<br /><br /> I don't think that the cabin was ever Jacob's. I don't think he ever lived there. I think that the MiB, or at least a part of his "essense," was trapped there by Jacob's knights, the Others, as a way of protecting Jacob from the MiB's plan, which Jacob saw coming. Further, I think the MiB was fully freed by Locke when he broke the circle of ash.<br /><br /> My reasons for this speculation:<br /><br /> 1) in the S5 finale Jacob visits Ilyana and asks for her help - he knows that the ash circle has been broken and that he is somehow vunerable.<br /> 2) someone in the cabin asks Locke for help, and who has Locke been helping (albiet, without his knowledge)?<br /> 3) when Ilyana and her crew show up, with Locke's dead body, and say, "He's not here" (or, he hasn't been here for a long time, or whatever they say) they are referring to the MiB, not Jacob, which confirms their fears about Locke's body. After burning the cabin, they make a bee-line for the statue.<br /> 4) the "shadow of the statue" riddle implies, along with the beginning shots of the S5 finale, that Jacob has long, or always, lived on the beach.<br /><br /> If my supposition is true, what does this mean for the characters/show? Well, for one, that Ben has long been visiting the MiB, and not Jacob. Even though he couldn't communicate with anyone in the cabin it would seem to suggest that Ben has always been on the wrong path to some extent, seeking his absent "father", Jacob, and being decieved by the MiB instead. Also, it would mean that Jacob has known about MiB's loophole for sometime, and has done nothing on his own to stop it, only influencing others to help him. Does this mean that Jacob is as powerless against MiB as MiB seems to be against Jacob?<br /><br /> Any thoughts?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150620151335606338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-43531692841383935022009-12-07T15:42:50.772-05:002009-12-07T15:42:50.772-05:00Anon,
Hahahaha. I love that.Anon,<br /><br />Hahahaha. I love that.MMorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-90113613662984235212009-12-07T14:22:28.580-05:002009-12-07T14:22:28.580-05:00That, or the MiB and Jacob really ARE brothers and...That, or the MiB and Jacob really ARE brothers and The Island itself is somehow their father. (Albeit kind of a crappy father). <br />Maybe that's why there are so many bad fathers on this show, The Island wants to gather as many dead-beat dads as it can so it doesn't feel as bad and go, "Well, at least I never pushed my son out a window." or "At least I'm not as big an asshole as Charles Widmore." <br />Sidenote: I bet Vincent's dad was a prick too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-46331716158439066542009-12-07T14:00:45.753-05:002009-12-07T14:00:45.753-05:00I'd put green money on The Man in Black being ...I'd put green money on The Man in Black being Jacob's father.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-16026668117215679742009-12-03T16:45:25.996-05:002009-12-03T16:45:25.996-05:00I think Jin's dad was actually a loving caring...I think Jin's dad was actually a loving caring guy. It was Jin who had the shame issues. At least what I can find about him here: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jin%27s_fatherUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14999304162995349761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-47688965281732752842009-12-03T13:54:49.450-05:002009-12-03T13:54:49.450-05:00Gravyboat,
Wow. I'm frankly kinda honored tha...Gravyboat,<br /><br />Wow. I'm frankly kinda honored that you've used these columns to help you through your time over there. Thanks so much for making this site one of your destinations, and I hope to continue hearing from you as we progress on to Season 4. <br /><br />Best,<br /><br />MMMorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08848202186100984995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-59348298314252991512009-12-02T18:01:38.449-05:002009-12-02T18:01:38.449-05:00GravyBoat said...
(Sorry, my OpenID credentials a...GravyBoat said...<br /><br />(Sorry, my OpenID credentials are acting up.)<br /><br />MMorse, I've really been enjoying your blog. I've spent most of this year in a developing nation with few DVDs and little opportunity to talk to people back in the States, and so your re-watch has been a fun connection to home and has me really looking forward to chewing on season 6 with my friends next year. Lost has certainly been one of the most narratively ambitious and thematically rich network shows that I can recall, so I'm looking forward to your assessment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-1259216045818796002009-12-02T16:03:34.206-05:002009-12-02T16:03:34.206-05:00Not a bad guy, no. But very much an absent father....Not a bad guy, no. But very much an absent father.MMorsehttp://www.losttherewatch.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-72388916494883057952009-12-02T16:01:16.443-05:002009-12-02T16:01:16.443-05:00Jin's dad didnt seem like too bad a guy.Jin's dad didnt seem like too bad a guy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14999304162995349761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-21238836600667719122009-12-02T15:28:15.889-05:002009-12-02T15:28:15.889-05:00Great post, gravyboat. You've touched on some ...Great post, gravyboat. You've touched on some of the things I'll be discussing, and you're 100% correct in asserting that we can't know how (or if) this aspect will resolve until season 6. Thematically though, I'm going to suggest that there's something potentially revolutionary going on here (in terms of network tv).MMorsehttp://www.losttherewatch.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250809695377260509.post-28258639548327245002009-12-02T10:35:48.361-05:002009-12-02T10:35:48.361-05:00I find it really interesting that the BEST father ...I find it really interesting that the BEST father we've seen on this show abandoned his family when his son was 10, then just showed up again 20 years later after his son won the lottery.<br /><br />You've mentioned the Old Testament concept of generational sins, and the sins of parents being visited upon the children throughout several generations. Now, plainly the castaways et. al. aren't on the Island as some form of generational punishment--there was obviously something else going on in the conversation betwixt Jacob and the MiB--but I think it's a nice reference to make concerning a show that deals so often in biblical imagery.<br /><br />That notion was especially resonant in season five, when we not only began to see signs that the next generation may be drawn into the violence and mania concerning the Island (Sun promising Ji Yeon that she would meet and play with Aaron, Charlie Hume watching as Ben Linus tried to kill his parents), but also began to see just to what extent many of the people we already know, such as Miles and Charlotte and Daniel and Penny, have actually inherited their various "Island problems" from their parents.<br /><br />But more to your point, I don't know exactly to what effect the writers have been setting up this theme of horrific fathers--Is it part of the mythology? Is seeing how a group of people who have all been damaged by their fathers react to the Island part of this round of Jacob's experiment? Is it just an issue that the writers want to explore from multiple different angles? Is it all just an elaborate recurring joke by the writers? <br /><br />However, whether it is a narrative issue or a purely thematic one, it's been such a prominent through-line that I wouldn't expect the story or the theme to really begin resolving itself until the final season, as part of the show's denouement. <br /><br />Just how it resolves itself is something I'm really looking forward to seeing in the coming season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com